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Alternative medicines lobbying for legalising cross practice.

Separate proposals submitted to the Government

‘Thirteen States allow cross practice’

Bangalore: A 30-year-old woman recently went through a surgical abortion in a clinic on Pategarpalya Main Road near Moodalpalya in the city. Now the interesting bit: the surgery was performed by an ayurvedic practitioner.

The woman, a daily wage worker, was unaware that the practitioner was not qualified to do so.

Another resident of Geddalahalli on Hennur-Bagalur Main Road, who wanted to end her pregnancy, was given allopathic medicine (a single pill) by a Unani doctor who runs a clinic in the area.

The woman, who was illiterate, approached an allopathic doctor in the same area when the medicine did not work. She was eventually referred to a hospital as her condition required high-risk surgery.

These are just two examples of how cross practice is rampant in the city.

In fact, several groups of doctors practising traditional systems of medicine are lobbying with the Government to allow them to prescribe allopathic drugs during emergencies. Separate proposals have been submitted to the Government by the State units of Ayush Federation of India and National Integrated Medical Association (NIMA) and Ayurveda Horata Samiti in the recent past.

‘System in practice’

“Such a system exists in 13 States, including Maharastra and Tamil Nadu. This is essential, especially in rural areas where there is an acute shortage of allopathic doctors. In fact, Ayush doctors are appointed by the government at district hospitals where there is a shortage of doctors,” said K.C. Ballal, former president of All-India NIMA.

No discussion yet

Confirming that the proposals had been received by the State Government, Principal Secretary (Health and Family Welfare) E.V. Ramana Reddy told The Hindu that the proposals were yet to be discussed.

Although the lobbying groups are hopeful of getting the Government’s nod, Mr. Reddy said: “This subject needs mature deliberation.”

Sources in the State Ayush Department said the lobbying groups were doing their best to convince Health Minister B. Sriramulu to approve the proposal.

The State unit of the Indian Medical Association (IMA) termed cross practice as “quackery”. “If the Government legalises it, we will launch an agiitation and approach the court,” IMA president M.R. Krishnaiah said.

Need for complaint

G.M. Veerabhadrappa, Registrar of Karnataka State Ayurveda and Unani Practitioners’ Board, said that though the board is authorised to check cross practice, it is helpless. “We can act only if there are specific complaints. Although people complain about, no one comes forward to lodge a case against a doctor,” he added.

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24 Comments

  1. BISESWAR DEBNATH says:

    It is one of the great initiation by the Govt. to give batter health to the poor and all.

  2. DrRavinder says:

    Govt nd MBBS ,BAMS,BDS,BUMS.BHMS.BSMS are qualified doctor.sabhi ko ek hokar india se sabhi jhola chaap doctor ko hatana chahiye..govt main agar gutz hain to pehle bogus doctor ko practice karne ke liye legal action lena chahiye.ye bogus doctor all villages, small town ,main clinic khol ke baithe hote hai..jo innocent logon ke life se khel rhe hain..In bogus doctor ke rehte qualified doctor ki respect kam hue hai..in jhola chaap doctor ko kya pata kaise doctor bante hain….hum sabhi qualified doctor ko ekjut hoker inke khilaph kadam uthane honge…jai hind jai bharat..

  3. Dr RavinderKumar says:

    BAMS doctor bhi MBBS doctor ki qualification ke equavalent hai..MBBS doctor ayurvedic medicine prescribe karte hain .yaha par main goal patients ko proper treatment dena hai.koi bhi pathy apne aap main puran nhi hai..govt ko qualified doctor(MBBS,BAMS,BDS,BSMS,BHMS,BUMS) ke baare main sochne se pehle sabhi bogus doctor(jhola chaap doctor) jo 8 th or 10 pass hote hain,ye bogus doctor qualified doctor ke pas helper reh kar small town and villages main apna clinic khol ke baithe hain .in bogus doctor ke khilaph govt ne ya related health dept koi kadam nhi uthate .ye openly apna clinic khol ke baithe hain.jahan par ye bogus doctor heavy antiboitic patients ko dete hain .jo innocent logon ki life se khel rhe hain.health dept ish taraf dhyan na dekar qualified doctor ko nishana bnate rehte hain.sabhi qualified doctor 5 year and 6 month ki training course ke baad hi apni practice karte hai.hum sabhi qualified doctor ki taraf se health dept nd govt se request hai ki sabhi jhola chaap doctor ko india se htao inhe punish kro .tabhi small town,nd villages main proper treatment hoga.nd tabhi qualified doctor ki respect hogi…sabhi qualified doctor friends aapas main ladna band karo and in bogus doctor ke khilaph kadam uthao .tabhi doctor ki respect hogi.agar health dept and govt main gutz hain to sabhi jhola chaap bogus doctor ke khilaph actione le.tabhi ek ache bharat ka nirman ho sakega .jai hind jai bharat…..

  4. ye bat chalo thik hai Dr.ravindra..ke jhola chap doctors ko khatam karna chahiye ..lekin aek baat samj lijiye ke ye jholachap doctors ko marna boleto gharmese mosquito (machchar) ko marna jesa hai jitne maroge utne kal naye peda honge….Aap konsi pathy se qualified hai ye me nahi janta lekin aek bat suniye ye jitne bi AYUSH doctors hai..agar wo apni pathy ko chodke alopath ki practice karne lagege to wo b Jholachap se kam nahi hai…hame apni khudki pathy ko behtar karne ki jarurat hai…hum padhte hi eesi liye hai..

    • DR.RAVINDER says:

      Dear nd respected DR.VISHAL , apko shayad ye pta hi hoga ki govt of india ne BAMS doctors ko allopathy me practise karne ki permission de rakhi hai jis ke bahut se court order and notification hai jin me clearly btaya gya hai k ayush qualified doctor legally allopathy me practice kar sakte hai. CCIM (central council of indian medicine) ke notification F.NO – 8-5p/2003-AY(MM) me above statement clear ki hai. Tamil nadu high court ne bi BAMS doctors ko allopathy karne ka allow kiya hai. Dr.Vishal ji aap ayush qualified doctors ko jhola chapp keh rhe hai jabki aap jaante hai k ccim k syllabus me modern medicine aur modern technique k baare me padaya jata hai to wo jhola chaap kaise huye . jholachapp doctor wo hai jo 10th pass hai aur jinho ne medical college ki surat tak nhi dekhi. DR. VISHAL ji hum sabhi jaante hai ki koi b pathy apne aap me puran nahi hai. for e.g- aap clinic pe baithe ho aur aap k paas koi patient aa jata hai jisko fever hai 105 degree fh , to kya aap bta sakte hai k aap ayurved me uska emergency me kya treatment karoge. Hum sabhi jaante hai us case me hume pcm hi deni padegi to hi patient normal hoga na ki sanjivani vati dene se. Even MBBS doctor b kayi cases me ayurvedic medicines PRESCRIBE KARTE HAI E.G liv 52, GASEX, IRON SYP, GYNAE RELATED SYP likhte hai. kyu ki us waqt yahi rehta hai k patient ko kis trah sahi chikitsa di jaye. Hum har pathy ki respect karte hai aur hamara maksad ye hai k hum sabhi qualified doctors ek ho kar in jholachaap doctors ko ikkathe ho k govt k upar pressure bna k sbhi 8 aur 10 paas jholachaap doctors ki dukane band krwani chahiye. DR.VISHAL ayush doctor 6 saal training me allopathy bhi apne syllabus me padte hai jo shayad aap ne b padhi hogi to agar kisi b pathy ka doctor agar patient ki life save karne k liye life saving medicine prescribe karte hai to koi galat nahi hai ,iske liye to govt aur supreme court ne bhi allow kiya hua hai. jai hind jai bharat.

    • Dr.PARVEZ A. HASHMI says:

      dr.vishal ye theek hai ki sabko apni pathy ko promote karna chahiye par koi bhi pathy poori tarah se complete remedy nahi hoti hai bahot si biomariyon mein.ek modern orthopedic surgeon ko bhi TKR /THR ke baad ek physiotherapist ki bhi zarurat padti hai apne pateint ke liye.aur shayad hi koi MD/MBBS hoga jo kabhi LIV52,cystone,renalka,neeri jaise ayurvedic product na likhta ho

  5. DR.RIMPLE says:

    DR.RAVINDER U R ABSOLUTELY RIGHT BUT MEIN DR.VISHAL KI BAAT SE BILKUL BI SEHMAT NAHI HU. DR.VISHAL JI JAB BI KOI DOCTOR DEGREE LENE K BAAD KISI BI VILLAGE ,TOWN YA CITY ME APNA CLINIC KHOLTE HAI TO WAHAN PEHLE SE HI JHOLACHAAP DOCTOR APNI DUKAN KHOL K BAITHE HOTE HAI,JINHE APNA NAAM TAK NHI LIKHNA AATA , LOGON KO HEAVY MEDICINES(ANTIBIOTIC AND STEROID) DETE HAI. AUR INKE UPAR GOVT KOI BI ACTION NAHI LETI. YE JHOLACHAAP DOCTOR KISI BI PATHY KI MEDICINE PRESCRIBE KARTE HAI AUR YE JHOLACHAAP HOKAR APNE AAP KO QUALIFIED DOCTOR BATATE HAI. AGR KISI VILLAGE ME 2-3 QUALIFIED DOCTOR HONGE TO WAHIN 50 K KAREEB JHOLACHAAP BAITHE HONGE ISLIYE JO DR.RAVINDER KEH RHE WO BILKUL THEEK KEH RHE HAI K HUM SABHI KO MIL KAR IN JHOLACHAAP DOCTOR K AGAINST GOVT AND RELATED DEPT SE IN BOGUS DOCTORS KI DUKANE BAND KRANE KE LIYE PRESSURE BANANA CHAHIYE.AGR KISI BHI PATHY K A DOCTOR APNI PATHY SE HAT KAR LIFE SAVING MEDICINE PRESCRIBE KARTE HAI TO WO JHOLACHAAP KAISE HUE????

  6. jiya nirankari says:

    GOOD JOB DR.RAVINDER N DR.RIMPLE. GOD BLESS BOTH OF U.

  7. DR.HARJOT says:

    DR.VISHAL MEIN AAP SE EK BAAT PUCHNA CHAHTI HU K AAP EK AYURVEDIC DOCTOR HAI….KYA AAPNE KABI APNE PATIENT KO ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE PRESCRIBE NAHI KI????????? MEIN IS BAAT KO NAHI MAANTI K AAPNE KABI BI ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE PRESCRIBE NAHI KI.

  8. DR.RAVINDER says:

    THANKS JIYA JI

  9. zahid ali says:

    Zahid Ali says.mere khayal se ayurvedic, homoeopathy aur unani college ko band kardena chaiye,aur inki medicine ko mbbs ke course main shamil karke seats double kardena chahiye.isse ayurved homoeopath
    aur unani main research bhi achcha honga ,aur society ko sirf mbbs nam se hi doctor milenge .Jo medicine jahan jise use karna honga woh use karenga.

  10. dr.wasim M.B.B.S M.D says:

    B.A.M.S , B.U.M.S , B.H.M.S + alopathy = jhola chapppppp
    kioki jab inhone kabhi alopathy padi hi nahi or ye
    apni pathy nahi kar sakte to aap jhola chap hi kehlayenge

    • dr. rohit says:

      ap jo bhi ho hume apse kuch lena dena ny hai bus itna hi kahunga k aap k pass knowldge bilkul bhi ny h agar hoti to sir ap ye na kehte k hum jhola chap hai ….. 1st year mein 3 subjct hote h na apke yaha bams doctors k 6 hote hai … jo books aap padh kar mbbs karte ho wahi books hum bhi padhte hai ….. bulki apse kahi jada ……………… agar jada janna hai to bams ka syllbus dekh lena …. apki akhein nikal ayeingi ………..modern medical sci izz vry easy …. but ek baar ayurvedic books padh kar dekhna meaning hi ny nikal payega apse……. surgery padhi hi hogi, maine bhi manipal book padhi h aur ayurvedic surgery bhi …….. ab batao kaun aage hai hum k aap,, bams izz much better thn mbbs …….. the father of surgry izz susruta .. u knw . apke pass se antibiotics nikal di jaye to mbbs wale kuch bhi ny kar sakte hai …………. main samjhta tha k mbbs doctor bahut samajh dar hote honge ….. main sub janta hu mere dost ne mbbs kari hai … wid gud marks but knowldge ki baat ho to dost ,,,,,, ab kya kahu ….galti humari ya apki nahi hai galti indian gov ki h jisne bams course banaya tha …. isko mbbs -A , aur usko mbbs -b naam dena tha …..

    • Dr.Sarad Kurre says:

      dr.wasim aapko pata hona chahiye ki ayurved se hi allopathy janm hua hai..father of medicine CHARAK nd father of surgery SUSHRUT ke samhita se hi HIPPOCRATUS ne apna pathy taiyar kia jo ki allopathy bana ok.

    • biseswar debnath says:

      Before MBBS and Modern Madicine, there was also the treatment process. So, please think to the depth how much you can. .

  11. DR.RAVINDER says:

    U are too good DR.ROHIT……DR.WASIM can you plz tell me from which place or city you get your fake degree..???? I think you passed your degree either from RUSSIA OR CHINA.MBBS doctor have least least knowledge then BAMS doctor,they even don’t know how to check blood pressure.If MBBS doctor want to practice in rural area, u people start removing kidneys,womb removal of poor people and sex determination test. According to latest news,12 doctors suspended in Jaipur and Chattisgarh for sex determination test and kidneyscam also. These people are the result of corrupt MCI and IMA. MBBS doctor only think about money …,you punish poor people by unwanted bed and room charge,unwanted surgeriesand treatment. But BAMS doctor cures each and every patient like family members with natural medicine but in case of emergency we only follow law and give them allopathy medicine. MBBS DOCTORS, i know how you earn money through fake pathological reports and make them beggars. If BAMS doctors are quacks then why MBBS doctors use ayurvedic medicines like LIV52,MEDICINE RELATED WITH GYNAECOLOGY,CYSTONE,NEERI,ALOVERA, DASHMOOLARISHTA AS WELL AS CHYAWANPRASH. If MBBS doctors prescribe ayurvedic medicine to the patient ,then they are also quacks. Dr.wasim U ARE also quack,jholachaap and bogus doctor. SHAME ON YOU.

    • Dear Readers,
      I appreciate every one of you for your valuable opinion on the posts of “ayurbhishak” blog . I request all the readers to involve in healthy discussions (Sandhaaya Sambhasha) rather than criticizing each other.

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  12. Dr. Mayank Jaiswal, BAMS says:

    “Swasthasya swaasth rakshanam|
    Aaturasya vikaar prashmanam cha||”

    Means- “Jo swasth he unke swasth ki raksha krna,
    Aur jo Rogi he unke rog ko dur karna…”

    Itna khubsurat laksh to bs ayurveda ka hi ho sakta he…!

    I respect Every person who serves to humanity…

    Jb ek patient ek doctor k pas jata he to, uska bharosa dekhiye ki wo apna sharir ek anjan shaks k hatho me saup raha he.
    Is ummed me ki wo shaks uski taklifo ko jad se nikal fekega…

    Mehsus krke dekhiye is ehsaas ko ki
    “Aap hi he wo shaks”
    U are a doctor
    Aur
    Kuch jhola chap doctors(Chhadm char vedya) apka naam kharab kr rahe he…:-(

    Aur hum lage he yaha ek dusre ko nicha dikhane me…
    Kya is discussion me ab tk koi jhola chhap involve hua?
    Nahi…

    Wo to ab b laga hua he logo k sath khilwad krne me…

    Aap sbne apne views rakhe yaha
    But
    Sochiye ek aam aadmi jb ye fire-fighting discussion pdega to kya asar padega humara un pr??

    “SABHI NON DOCTOR PEOPLES SE MERA ANURODH HE-

    Please jb bhi aap aswasth(Bimaar) ho
    Aur apko doctor ki jaroorat ho tb, dhyan rakhe ki wo ek degree holder, government approved BAMS or BHMS or BUMS or MBBS physician hi ho”

    Thankyou

  13. praveen says:

    in my village there are three jhola chap doctor located within 200 mtrs and all of them are looting poor people. one of them has a degree in BEMS(EH)&MD(EH). i want that these fake doctor shoul be stop doing so. can any one suggest me that these doctor can use the word Dr before his name and to whom i have to apporach. kindly logoin to ,,,,,,, pkt240184@gmail.com

    • Dr Ravinder says:

      Praveen ji aap apni distict ke govt civil hospital main jha PIO hota hai aap pio ke naam rti file kar de.in india only 6 type of degree are recognised , MBBS BAMS BDS BUMS BHMS BSMS are valid for use Dr prefix these doctor only prescribe or dispence to there own patients

  14. Dr. V. Singh says:

    saare chor hai Dr. Ravinder etc., etc., ek hi admi sabhi comment de rahan hai …. saalo kuch toh saram karo …. chor praverty ke log ho tum sab…

  15. Dr Ravinder says:

    Dear praveen agar aap ye janna chahte hain ke apke aas paas kitne jhola chaap doctor hain or inke paas jo degree hai wo valid hai ya nahin or wo degree Dr prefix lagane ke liye valid hai ya nahi to aap RTI file kar sakte hain district ke PIO ke naam jiski fees 10 rs hai. PIO Public information officer jo district ke CMO hote hain.aapko sahi jankari denge.or agar ye bogus doctor hue to action definatly hoga.

  16. suresh says:

    hum drs ko logo ki seva karni hai na ki ek dusre ki burai

  17. Dr Raghunathan nair says:

    Dr Raghunathan nair
    CCIM Constituted by Indian Parliament conducts course includes MD Anaesthesia MD Radiology in which uses allopathic drugs and all Ayuvedic doctors practises ksharasutra with the aid of local anethesia.I am in the opinion that at least Ayurveda doctors having tantras as post graduation viz MD (SHALYATANTRA/SHALAKYA TANTRA/PRASUTI TANTRA) MAY BE legally protected to use allopathic drugs limited to their speciality.But syllubus of these courses should include modern pharmacology and Microbiology thus these courses will have legal protection.

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